Come on people, it's not that hard.

"Svend" (svend) 01/20/2020 at 02:25 • Filed to: None

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I get it in Australia they have an issue with foreign drivers on the wrong side of the road while they are on holiday.

But RAF Croughton is, ‘communication hub’, with hundreds or personnel and usually stationed here for months or even a year or two, so why can’t they remember what side to drive on?

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A police chief has asked to meet the commander of the RAF base near where Harry Dunn died, to discuss cars being driven on the wrong side of the road.

Mr Dunn, 19, was hit by a car driven by Anne Sacoolas, who left for the US claiming diplomatic immunity.

Video has now emerged of a car being driven on the wrong side of the road near RAF Croughton on Friday night.

Northamptonshire Chief Constable Nick Adderley said these events “cannot keep happening”.

A police vehicle was also struck by a car on the wrong side of the same road in October.

The footage that was captured on Friday shows a blue BMW having to brake sharply on a road near the base.

In a statement, the chief constable said: “I do not underestimate how much of a concerning incident this was and how much worse it could have been, especially considering the circumstances in which 19-year-old Harry Dunn tragically died.

“This is compounded by the fact that yesterday, myself and Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner Stephen Mold were made aware of another incident in Northampton in which a police vehicle was struck in early October by a vehicle also driving on the wrong side of the road.

“Thankfully, there were no injuries.

“I want to be absolutely clear on the fact that these incidents just cannot keep happening.”

He said he had requested a meeting with officials from the base to discuss road safety and that he expected it to take place next week.

With the case of Harry Dunn’s death by Anne Sacoolas while driving on the wrong side of the road, the U.S. has said about the U.K. s request to extradite her as .

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The United States has criticised the UK’s request to extradite an American accused of killing motorcyclist Harry Dunn, calling it “highly inappropriate”.

Mr Dunn, 19, died after being hit by a car allegedly driven by suspect Anne Sacoolas, who left the country for the US claiming diplomatic immunity.

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The extradition request is sent via the British Embassy to the US State Department.

A lawyer will then decide whether it falls under the dual-criminality treaty, where the alleged offence is a crime in both countries and carries a prison sentence of at least a year.

The maximum sentence for causing death by dangerous driving is 14 years’ imprisonment, although this is usually reserved for the most serious cases.

The US may reject the request for extradition, arguing that Mrs Sacoolas is still entitled to diplomatic immunity.

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This is going to get messy, especially as the U.S. DoD is about to spend $520million on the site this year.

facw > Svend 01/20/2020 at 03:06

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It’s sort of amazing the way we can drive as an automatic reaction and frankly that more stupid stuff doesn’t happen.

In any event, shortly after my mom moved back from the UK, she got pulled over for driving on the left...

Svend > facw 01/20/2020 at 03:28

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But this is outside a base which is loads of protesters outside wanting Anne to return to the U.K., there would know what the protest is about and there are these signs

New signs

pip bip - choose Corrour > Svend 01/20/2020 at 03:35

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need to have arrows painted on the road as well

gettingoldercarguy > Svend 01/20/2020 at 03:39

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She should return, she doesn’t have immunity.

Install a fast reacting collapsible spike strip that allows cars to drive one way safely , but kills the tires if they go the wrong way. You see them a lot at rental car companies . Also, have a tire repair shop right across the street that charges a shitload and gives some of the proceed s to Harry’s parents.

Svend > pip bip - choose Corrour 01/20/2020 at 03:44

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It may even happen. 

Svend > gettingoldercarguy 01/20/2020 at 04:01

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Unfortunately America has said.

With the case of Harry Dunn’s death by Anne Sacoolas while driving on the wrong side of the road, the U.S. has said about the U.K. s request to extradite her as .

The United States has criticised the UK’s request to extradite an American accused of killing motorcyclist Harry Dunn, calling it “highly inappropriate”.

Well you could call it highly inappropriate for Anne to drive on the wrong side of the road and kill Harry. I’m sure Harry would agree it highly inappropriate for his life to of been cut so short due to her driving the way she did. But the American government sees the word inappropriate differently I assume.   

Cé hé sin > Svend 01/20/2020 at 05:03

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Your Mr Johnston wants a trade agreement with the Americans? He’s going to have to suck this up and a l ot more besides.

kanadanmajava1 > Svend 01/20/2020 at 05:35

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I think the BMW was just using “racing line” for the corner (outside-inside-outside) and hit the brakes when the driver saw the other car. Idiotic but not necessarily a foreign driver.

In my country a road that is barely wide enough for two cars would be 30 km/h at ma ximum.

Svend > Cé hé sin 01/20/2020 at 05:52

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Whether he wants a trade deal or not, the family and friends of the deceased won’t be leaving this alone for some time yet.

To be honest, not many want a deal with the U.S. with trump in office. 

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > pip bip - choose Corrour 01/20/2020 at 05:56

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They need arrows painted on the fucking foreheads.

I live near all the embassies in Canberra. Squeaky bum time every time I go through there late at night cause I’ll get some tired diplomat whose forgotten what country they’re in.

Svend > kanadanmajava1 01/20/2020 at 05:56

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Both cars were going low speeds.

And yes, foreign driver, the police confirmed it was a diplomatic car linked to RAF Croughton.

Using the ‘racing line’ is one thing, but you only do it when you can see the exit is clear, eg no cars, pedestrians or obstructions of any can’t not just at the exit of the bend but further afield. 

kanadanmajava1 > Svend 01/20/2020 at 06:41

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They are not going fast but BMW seems to be taking the “ inside line” at the apex. On curvy and empty (appearing ) roads this is quite common. But that road is ridiculously narrow so likely most drivers stay in the middle if the visibility is good and there are n’t any other road us ers to be seen.

Svend > kanadanmajava1 01/20/2020 at 06:56

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That is a common country road width here.

Enough space for two to pass. 

Yes most adopt the centre line on these narrow country roads where the visibility all round is great, low or no hedges or dry stone walls, but at a bend, always go bad to your own side. 

Urambo Tauro > kanadanmajava1 01/20/2020 at 07:38

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If this was a matter of the driver trying to trace a racing line, knowingly, temporarily borrowing the oncoming side, I think he would have jumped back towards his own side of the road immediately upon seeing oncoming traffic. But when the camera car comes into view, the BMW doesn’t react like that at all. His reaction was apparently to hug the right side of the road and stop. He doesn’t even try to get back on his proper side of the road until he sees the camera car firmly stop o n its proper  side .

Just Jeepin' > Urambo Tauro 01/20/2020 at 07:50

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Not necessarily. I could easily see someone freeze up and fall back to long-held habits in a situation like that.

I don’t know how long I’d have to drive in the UK before I’d instinctively hug the left margin in an emergency. 30 years of habit are hard to break.

Urambo Tauro > Just Jeepin' 01/20/2020 at 08:21

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That’s why I think he’s taking the right side out of driving habit, not as part of trying to trace a racing line.

benn454 > Svend 01/20/2020 at 08:26

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I was wondering how good the signage was. That seems pretty good to me, so it sounds like a case of a dumbass who can’t drive.

 The claiming diplomatic immunity bit is a load of crap. Unless she was carrying classified material with her, it's really shitty to claim immunity while in the territory of a very close ally. But what can you expect when the country is run by a shithead. 

someassemblyrequired > Svend 01/20/2020 at 08:44

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Brits do this all the time in the states. I had a wrong way driver come at me on the SeaTac (Seattle’s airport) departures ramp, and watched a driver navigate the roundabout near my house in Seattle the wrong way before jumping a median in a panic and destroying their brand new S-Class Merc.

In DC people turn on to the wrong side of the median ALL THE TIME. Florida is even worse during tourist season .

It happens wherever people switch what side of the road is “right.”

someassemblyrequired > Svend 01/20/2020 at 08:51

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That lady will never face a trial, even if Trump is gone in the fall. A trade deal is more likely, and the odds of that are zero, even if a Democrat replaces Trump .

The UK has no gravitas in world affairs anymore post-Brexit thanks to the $#@$show of the last 4+ years . BoJo the Clown and his Insane Clown Posse just have n’t figured this out yet.

My bird IS the word > Svend 01/20/2020 at 09:13

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Just exactly how many people actually get diplomatic immunity anyhow? That sounds like bs to me.

Even if it was an accident, i can understand. I cant understand not facing consequences for your actions.

Cé hé sin > My bird IS the word 01/20/2020 at 11:37

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Her husband’s in the CIA and there’s an agreement that CIA staff at that air base (which isn’t just an air base) can claim diplomatic immunity. The US government can waive the immunity but their policy is not to.

facw > gettingoldercarguy 01/20/2020 at 11:46

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Though in seriousness, it feels like it’s been decades since I’ve seen one of those, I’d guess they’ve fallen out of favor.

My bird IS the word > Cé hé sin 01/20/2020 at 11:51

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Yeah I don't think they should cover for her on this one. Thats definitely not what diplomatic immunity is for.

Svend > someassemblyrequired 01/20/2020 at 13:25

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It’s not about gravitas in world affairs, it’s about doing the right thing. Over the years the British government has extradited both. British and foreign nationals from it’s shores.

Both the U.K. and U.S. bang on about this special relationship, this shared history, these shared values, etc... and this is what we get. 

Svend > someassemblyrequired 01/20/2020 at 13:30

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Ye', I get that, we get loads of tourists driving on the wrong side, several even film themselves doing it. These are people that now live here, granted some may of only been here weeks but they leave a base with signs up saying to stay left, more have been added since Harry was killed, they've even driven through a protest outside the base about having Anne return and what it was about. 

Svend > My bird IS the word 01/20/2020 at 13:36

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It turns out she didn’t have the right to claim immunity. At the scene she admitted driving on the wrong side, she didn’t claim immunity at that time, later she did and while the U.K. police were verifying it, she absconded to the U.S.. U.S. officials later admitted the right to immunity wasn’t he’s.

The U.S. would likely of waived it, but as she had already returned to the U.S., the U.S. don’t want to be seen to get extradite one of their own for whatever reason. 

someassemblyrequired > Svend 01/20/2020 at 14:32

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There are more incentives right now for the US to let this lady avoid trial than there are for the US to send her back. People in the US military/government and their families don’t like getting posted to the UK, so letting her face trial would make assigning people to those posts far more difficult, as it’s one of those errors that people here can see themselves making (they’ve seen all the pictures of the “look left” signs on the crosswalks). Sure they could help out the UK government politically by sending her back, but the US government has rightly concluded that the UK government will sit down and take it - as they badly need a trade deal.

It’s a cold hard calculus, especially for the poor victim and his family, but sadly, it’s reality.

someassemblyrequired > Svend 01/20/2020 at 14:53

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I’m sure it still happens 15 or 20 times per day, even now. Just there’s probably not a dashcam about.

They really should make the exits of that base roundabouts to remind folks and get them started on the correct side of the road.   It looks like it’s just a T-junction, so I’m not surprised these issues would happen.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > someassemblyrequired 01/20/2020 at 22:03

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My grandfather was friends with a cop on cape cod and was talking to him as he was walking, all of a sudden come to car facing the wrong direction on the street

“rental from boston, $ 5 says its a brit”  

DipodomysDeserti > someassemblyrequired 01/20/2020 at 22:16

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You live in Seattle, that’s how the locals drive.

someassemblyrequired > DipodomysDeserti 01/20/2020 at 22:21

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I have lived and worked all over North America - Washington drivers are amongst the most courteous. If anything they’re too polite. It’s the tourists and new arrivals that are trouble.

Though t hrow in snow and it all goes to hell, at least on the Seattle side of the mountains.